Episode 5 / Bob Goff
Bob Goff’s Trick To Overcoming Fear Could Change Your Life and Leadership
What You'll Learn in This Episode:
The importance of authenticity and generosity in leadership and the power of living into the truest version of oneself.
How to use situational awareness to move through your fear
How to embrace the different ways we can plan for change
The significance of taking courageous steps and committing to making an impact.
Techniques to let relationships and business strategies develop without overt control.
Bob Goff, the renowned author and philanthropic force behind Love Does, unpacks the essence of true leadership. From exploring Bob's unique take on letting relationships breathe like fine wine to tackling the hurdles of imposter syndrome, this episode is brimming with revelations on how to lead with authenticity, influence effectively, and live generously. Expect a conversation rich with personal anecdotes, hard-earned wisdom, and actionable insights that can transform the way you approach your role as a leader and, more importantly, as a human.
About BOB GOFF
Bob Goff is the author of the New York Times bestselling books Love Does, Everybody Always, Dream Big, and Undistracted. He is the Honorary Consul to the Republic of Uganda, an attorney, and the founder of Love Does—a nonprofit human rights organization operating in India, Uganda, Nepal, Somalia, Afghanistan, USA, Congo, Dominican Republic, Ukraine, Israel, and Burkina Faso. He’s a lover of balloons, cake pops, and helping people pursue their big dreams. Bob continues to be inspired by friendships he’s developed with others around the world who live their lives pursuing strategic ways to help others. You can typically find Bob writing and taking calls from his boat, welcoming people to The Oaks—his Southern California retreat center, or at an event speaking. Bob’s greatest ambitions in life are to love others, do stuff, and, most importantly, to hold hands with his wife, Sweet Maria Goff, and spend time with their amazing kids and grandkids. For more, check out BobGoff.com and LoveDoes.org.
“Remember why you started and write that down. If you're starting a small business or a big relationship or whatever, just write down why you're doing what you're doing.”
BOB GOFF
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Lindsey Epperly [00:00:12]:
Welcome to Who Made You The Boss? A podcast for recovering workaholics. I'm your host, Lindsey Epperly, and I invite you to embark on a transformative journey. Our mission on who made you the boss is clear. We're here to tackle the unique, unique challenges that today's professionals face. We're bringing you insightful conversations with a diverse range of entrepreneurs, executives, and creatives all who have forged their own paths. And I'm sharing some of the stories of my decades long career as a leader of my company, Jetset World Travel. Whether you're a seasoned professional or just starting out on your journey, join us each week as we unravel the mysteries of leadership, self discovery, and the pursuit of fulfillment.
Lindsey Epperly [00:00:50]:
It is time to redefine what it means to be the boss of your own life. Let's dive in, and together we'll discover who made you the Boss. Today, I have a real treat. It is my friend and mentor, Bob Goff. You may know him because he is a New York Times bestselling author. He's written books like love. Does everybody always dream big and undistracted? But beyond his writing career, which is actually how he and I first connected, this man is just a legend. I mean, he serves as the honorary consul to the Republic of Uganda.
Lindsey Epperly [00:01:30]:
He is a lawyer by trade, but his true passion lies in making a difference. That's actually what led him to establish his nonprofit human rights organization, Love Does. And I can share that these facts are more than simply a bio. This man is the real deal. I've been honored to spend time with him, and I'll never forget just how present he manages to be. Everything he talks about, he lives. Little did I know the conversations that we had back then would lead to this episode. This podcast would actually not even be here if it wasn't for Bob's encouragement.
Lindsey Epperly [00:02:00]:
So good news for you, listeners. If you also want to have some life changing conversations with Bob, he actually offers workshops still at his retreat center. You should definitely check those out. But today, I want you to take a listen to this conversation. We recorded it actually a little while ago, but it's still just as relevant now as it was ever. We talk a lot about bravery and inspiration and kind of what makes Bob tick, but also what makes us, as humans, tick, right? So get ready to be inspired as we delve into this incredible world of Bob Goff and uncover the boundless possibilities that love and compassion can create. Welcome to who made you the boss. All right.
Lindsey Epperly [00:02:42]:
I am so thrilled to be here today with a friend and mentor of mine, mr. Bob Goff. Hi, Bob.
Bob Goff [00:02:48]:
Hey there. Good to see you, Lizzie.
Lindsey Epperly [00:02:50]:
You, too. So I am just thinking back on how fortunate I was to actually meet you for the first time, which was in person at your retreat center in Southern California at the Oaks and I think we were amongst the first people to get out there and actually experience it right with that writing retreat.
Bob Goff [00:03:06]:
It's really true. That was early on. It was pretty weird time for all of us. But I think what happens is that those times, while they seem long at the moment, you get those in the rear view mirror. And if you went out to the oaks a day, you'd just see like nonstop people and amazing. Planted a vineyard, and we have an equestrian center, and I've got 30 cows.
Lindsey Epperly [00:03:31]:
I love it. You're not getting an hourly report on whether or not we have to wear a mask, which I think was like the thing that was happening in April of 21 when we met up. It was like, are we going to make it? Are we not?
Bob Goff [00:03:41]:
That was a little creepy.
Lindsey Epperly [00:03:43]:
It is. And I can't believe that, though that was just barely over a year and a half ago crazy.
Bob Goff [00:03:47]:
But you got things that are really big in your moment, even for somebody listening now. They might have something really big in your life right now that's taking up all the oxygen in the room. But then when you get that thing in the rearview mirror a little bit, and then all of a sudden you just see the bigger picture of what was happening. It was hard at the time that we had this big idea, let's get a retreat center and have everybody get better and all that at whatever they needed to get better at. And then you have a couple of setbacks and you go like, oh, wow, what's the heck? But then gosh within just moments, it seems like now we're way on the other side of that. Booked up for a year.
Lindsey Epperly [00:04:24]:
Beautiful. I love to hear it. Well, and we're going to be talking some about the rear view mirror today because I want to hear more about your story, what's gotten you to where you are, and actually even like the inspiration behind the name of this podcast, right. Who made you the boss. Which is this idea that when we step into a leadership role, when we start realizing we have the ability to make an impact and to influence, sometimes that impostor syndrome kind of creeps in and we start thinking like, oh, who am I to do this? I want to hear more about what point you realized you looked in the mirror and you said, I can make an impact. I can do this. I want to step up as a leader. Can you tell us a little bit more about that journey?
Bob Goff [00:05:01]:
Yeah. I'm not the most capable guy in the world, but I could be the most capable person or available person in the room. And so for a lot of us, we think of what are we capable of, what are we able to do? And I'm able to be a lawyer. And that has some neat things about it, but I don't feel like I'm called to be a lawyer. Does that make sense that you just say, like, I just don't feel that sense of calling towards that, but I feel like that there's a capability I have, I hope, for people as they're thinking about leadership and that idea of the impostor syndrome comes in, just I would call it out. Who do you think you're acting like? Are you trying to be like your parents? Are you trying to be like somebody else? And if you actually put that under the microscope a little bit to say, I would make a lousy version of them, probably as bad as they would make a lousy version of me, but just say I'm the person that's capable enough, I'm certainly available enough. I'm going to do it. An interesting thing, when we were starting a couple of these things, there's a lot of people that want to be in charge and fewer people that want to be responsible.
Bob Goff [00:06:11]:
And so in some ways, I found myself just saying I'm the person that's going to be responsible for a nonprofit with responsibility came getting some skin in the game. So when we didn't have gosh, I think we're spending 30,000 a month to keep all these different schools that we have open and we have total donors of nobody. And we weren't sitting on bags of money at our house instead of furniture. And so I just started borrowing money against the house. 30,000 a month.
Lindsey Epperly [00:06:47]:
A month.
Bob Goff [00:06:48]:
And I realized, oh my gosh, I'm the guy that's responsible, yet I thought, this isn't viable. Like, I was a pretty good lawyer, but I wasn't that good. And so I thought, well, what is a way to kind of tweak this thing so it can actually be viable? And that is really where most business owners live, people that are if they don't get distracted by like, I'm an imposter or who I am, let's get down to the hard work of doing the next thing, realizing that you might be the person that's responsible for it. And so what I'm going to do is my next courageous step.
Lindsey Epperly [00:07:24]:
I love that. I feel like that takes the ego out of it and just kind of makes you the vessel for delivering whatever it is you feel uniquely equipped to do. To your point, it's not being a lawyer. It's there's something else deeper within you that you're bringing to the table that you're called to. And so taking all the little mind games out that come with that, reminding.
Bob Goff [00:07:43]:
Yourself why you started this thing, like you could think in your marriage, like, why did we start this thing when we were first touching knees and we thought maybe we'd have a family, or just remember why you started and write that down. If you're starting a small business or a big relationship or whatever, just write down why you're doing what you're doing. And make that just something you return to. And that might change over time. You might have a different reason why you're doing what you're doing, but I want to keep current with that. I don't want to be doing things because I had a reason. Like, somebody told me when I was 16 I was supposed to be a dentist. And so now you're 40, and you're a dentist, and you say, like, why am I doing that? If you blow the foam off the top, it's because somebody told a 16 year old version of you that would be a dentist.
Bob Goff [00:08:31]:
You go like, I don't like teeth. I'd say quit. I think you've moved on.
Lindsey Epperly [00:08:36]:
Quitting is kind of your thing, though, right? You're very adept at it.
Bob Goff [00:08:40]:
Yeah, I am resolute just like quit. You could quit cussing if you want, but I'd go a little higher up on the tree and say, what's something that would actually matter more than just what I said? What if you tried to tap the brakes on being impatient, that you're in a big hurry about everything? And so then think of really practical things you can do to help get there. I bought a 71 Volkswagen. It's not like some showroom car. It's just a thrashed old Volkswagen, and it'll go about 40 downhill with the wind behind you. And that was a great way for me to slow down, because it literally doesn't have 45 in it. And so instead of being in a big hurry to get everywhere, I just chill out a little bit, because the car don't have hurry in it, right? Sounds like something they don't have hurry. But you can think of some little life hacks that might help be the reminders, a three by five card about why you started this.
Bob Goff [00:09:41]:
An awfully slow car for, gosh, maybe a decade or so. Maria and I shared a car. We weren't trying to go green. We weren't trying to make a statement, but we were just trying to spend more time together. And that's a great way to spend more time together, just share a car, because everybody will be hitching a ride with somebody somewhere. And we had kids that needed rides and all that, but it wasn't because we couldn't afford it to our sell. We just had a bigger, overarching idea. And so maybe come up with those life hacks in your business, in your relationships.
Bob Goff [00:10:21]:
Instead of asking people, how are you? Maybe ask them, just what does it feel like to be you? And let me lead by telling you what it feels like to be me right now. And then all of a sudden, people go, oh, wow. She actually wants to have an authentic conversation, and she's actually interested in what it feels like to be me right now.
Lindsey Epperly [00:10:40]:
I love that. Well, and I love the idea, too. I'd love to hear your thoughts on this when we talk about that bigger, overarching theme when you've got this, why that you're dedicated to, and then you experience a setback, right? So on this podcast, we actually label these as the monsters that save us. So this idea comes from there's that big scary monster in your closet that you're just constantly terrified of. It's going to get you. It's going to get you. And then one day it does. And lo and behold, kind of like the story of Jonah and the Bible, the whale that swallows him, that takes him to the shores of where he's actually supposed to be, right? That was the monster that saved him.
Lindsey Epperly [00:11:14]:
So I would love to hear more about a setback that you've had that actually kind of made you into who you are and what you do now.
Bob Goff [00:11:21]:
Oh, heck, yeah. Gosh. It's a target rich environment because most of the things that I've done, people see from afar. They see the outcomes, and they don't see the setbacks just because I don't spend a lot of time talking about them. I had an idea years ago to have a house in Washington, DC. Where all these people that didn't get along could go. And so I bought this house. It came up for sale literally across the street from the United States Supreme Court.
Bob Goff [00:11:50]:
Is that crazy? So this house came up for sale, and I bought it. We fixed it up. I didn't even tell Maria I bought it, but I let her know. We fixed it up to be a really neat place. And it was used by all these branches of government that weren't getting along with each other. On Tuesdays, this group was there. On Wednesdays, another group, and Thursdays, another group. And it was conveniently located by two of the three branches, and there was no name on the door.
Bob Goff [00:12:17]:
It wasn't like some covert thing. It was just a place where everybody could just chill out and get together. And I had somebody making sandwiches for people, and then they changed the ethics rules or something. I didn't hang out there because I didn't want to know anybody. I just wanted them to get along so Earth would be better. And they changed some rules, and nobody could come anymore because, I don't know, maybe they had to pay for the sandwiches or something. I don't know what it was, but there was nobody there right at the time. All the real estate market crashed, and I lost such a huge number, I sold it.
Bob Goff [00:12:55]:
It was crazy what happened, and it was a great idea right up until it wasn't right? The Titanic. The first four days of that trip were awesome, but the fifth day, not so much. And many of us have that fifth day that we'll just have this thing and be like and sometimes there's just no debris floating there's nobody floating at a door saying, I'll never let go. But these bad things happen. And I think what they do is they either traumatize us permanently or they inform us for what we would do next. And so I didn't feel traumatized, I felt informed. And I'd say, note to self, keep trying. But not in that way.
Bob Goff [00:13:39]:
Maybe there's a less more effective, less expensive way to try.
Lindsey Epperly [00:13:44]:
Absolutely.
Bob Goff [00:13:45]:
So what I want us to do isn't to bail on the whole idea, well, I'm out. Like, God hates me, or say I'm not the person that should do that, it should be somebody else. I would say, like, well, I'm not going to do it, where it involves buying a super expensive house to do it. What I can do is I'll find another way to make friends and try to influence one of the things thinking of influence is that what we try to do is control a lot of things. And I found that my biggest failures have been when I've tried to control it. And my greatest successes are when I've just tried to influence it. So if you try to control your kids, they will go in the opposite direction. If you try to influence the people that you love, then you have just more common ground, more things to think about.
Bob Goff [00:14:34]:
So I would do a quick little audit of what is it that I'm trying to control. And what we try to do, if you're like me, is I try to control the things that I don't understand. So if there's somebody doing something nutty, I try to exert a lot of control over them so that they will stop doing nutty things. But when I try to control them, they do even more nutty things than they were doing before. But if I set my sights as I'm trying to influence a situation, I'm trying to influence an outcome, then I feel a little bit more that mirrors reality more, because I can't control it. If you try to control it, what you do is you smother it or you wreck a relationship or you have this role in somebody's life where now you're the hall monitor of their behaviors and I just don't want to do that. But if I set my sights on influencing an outcome, then it's just a much better absolutely.
Lindsey Epperly [00:15:32]:
Absolutely. I mean, I feel like for the first few years of my business, I was clinging so tightly to it and it actually was one of those monsters that saved me. Right. It was COVID coming in and leveling it that forced my hands open. And to see the beauty on the other side of that now that it's not suffocating under my control is exactly what you're describing. That's a perfect leadership lesson that we all should know.
Bob Goff [00:15:54]:
Yeah, I'm not a big wine guy, even though I do own a vineyard out of the Oaks. 50,000 bottles of wine each year. I'm just like a Dr Pepper guy. But the red wines, what you need to do is let them breathe, evidently. And I don't know why, but I think it's better if they do. And so what if you just say, like in your relationships, in your business relationships and people, vendors, if you deal with them, friends, let them breathe a little bit, just let them find their own equilibrium, and it can come across is apathy, but it's actually strategy. And to say I have such a strong strategy of influence over control that I'll just pull it back a second where I'm not telling people what move to make next. I'll ask them, hey, what's your next move? What are you going to do next? And it's not in a rhetorical kind of condescending way, but you just say, I just assume that you bring a lot to the game, and I'd just be curious what your plan is.
Bob Goff [00:16:58]:
And if they say, we don't really have a plan, then I'd say, well, what if you come up with your best plan and then let me know what it is. How about Wednesday? Does that sound good for you? So you bring some structure to that, but that's not trying to control somebody. But you set up some beautiful guardrails, which is don't screw around with it for the next month. I'm thinking this is a thing that's done in days, not weeks. Or weeks, not months. And so you can set some kind of a hang a target and put a shot clock on it, and some really beautiful things will come of that.
Lindsey Epperly [00:17:29]:
I love that. It's interesting that you bring that up about the oaks and the vineyard. I don't remember. I assume that was out there last year if you're already bottling that much, was it not? That's happened so fast.
Bob Goff [00:17:39]:
It was just when you were there, we were just putting the vines in. There was no green leafy stuff. And then by the third year, you get really good grapes.
Lindsey Epperly [00:17:49]:
Wow, that is so cool. Congrats on that. Well, and you know what? I remember being out at the oaks, too, and I feel like it's a place that everyone should get at some point in their lives, like sitting under the oak trees, what they're named for, and having a specific conversation with you about fear. And I mean, really, I was so intrigued by this idea. Your organization, Love does goes into war zones in order to promote education and promote healing. And you're usually on the front lines of that. You're not just sending people out there. You yourself are going into these war in these conflict zones and establishing the organization and the relationships.
Lindsey Epperly [00:18:29]:
And I'm just curious what that looks like for you. There's got to be a certain level of fear when you're going in there, but how do you overcome it? What's the pep talk that you're giving to yourself when you're doing that?
Bob Goff [00:18:39]:
Yeah, I remember when I was learning we live for part of the year in a really remote location in Canada, and the only way in and out is on a seaplane. So I learned how to fly this old seaplane so we could get in and out. And the first thing they teach you is about situational awareness. You just need to know what's going on inside the cockpit, and you need to know what's going on outside the cockpit. There was a terrible tragedy that Colby Bryant and a number of others were in a helicopter, and that there's nothing wrong with the helicopter. He just got so distracted by what was going on outside the cockpit that he forgot what was going on inside the cockpit. And so if I could use that analogy to whether it's a tense board meeting that you're stepping into, or it's Afghanistan or Mogadishu, it can emote the same things. Like, you're just feeling, like, danger close, and to just say, like, what I want to do slow down.
Bob Goff [00:19:37]:
I want to be situationally aware what's going on inside the cockpit. Just say, I'm feeling anxious. I'm feeling like I'm the least capable person in the room. I'm feeling this big fear of failure. Let's just name it. Instead of having just a big general feeling of distress and tension, to say these are the four things that are going on in some combination, and then just say once we kind of name that to say, okay, so this is my plan. This is a reality of the circumstance that I'm actually loved by God, I'm loved by a couple people that know me. And these, truth be known, are people in the room who are strangers to me.
Bob Goff [00:20:16]:
And I'm not tying my worth to the success of the place in DC. Or the school or whatever, but I'm going to fail trying. I'm not going to fail watching. So if you have kind of that drumbeat of, say, a fail trying, fail trying, fail trying, then when it fails, it's not a big surprise. I've had many schools gosh. I built a hospital in Iraq and a whole village for the Yazidi people that ISIS had traded out. Like, thousands of these people had had to flee their homes, and we built this really neat place and a hospital, all that. Then they all went home, which was actually how the story should end, but that's good.
Bob Goff [00:21:01]:
Everybody went home. But I now have an empty hospital and an empty village, so I just hadn't thought that one through. Now, most people would, but I was like, oh, rats. That didn't work out the way I was thinking. But instead of saying right now in real time, how's that working? If you'd gone on a first date with your husband, and five minutes into the date, he said, how's it going? You should be like what? You mean, like the date? He said, yeah, I don't know. Pretty good average, I guess. And then ten minutes later, he said, so how's it going now? After the third or fourth time, he'd ask you'd say, like, this is actually our last date. So what I want you to do is slow it down instead of these checkpoints to say, how's this big project am I doing? How am I doing in the room now? How am I doing? How am I doing? Slow it down a little bit.
Bob Goff [00:21:53]:
Chill out. Get a puppy if you need to, and just give God a little bit more time to show to you what he already knows is the outcome. So I don't know the outcome of the hospital and the village and whatever, but I'm not stressing about it today because I'm just slowing it down. I'm just trying to say, what are things that I actually can influence? Because I can't influence that right now, but I can influence something else. And if you just say, what are the things within the people, the circumstances, that I could get some skin in the game and then do something about it and see what happened. I wrote to Kim Jong UN. I translated one of my books into Korean. I mailed it to him with a letter saying, you want to meet? And I don't think he's going to say yes, but if he did, man, I'm on the next plane.
Bob Goff [00:22:44]:
But it's not to take a selfie. It's that I don't want to just watch the news. I want to engage the world. And so if there's people, I feel a heightened level of engagement by doing something instead of just sitting in the stands watching this thing unfold.
Lindsey Epperly [00:23:02]:
Does that make sense? Absolutely. Well, and that's what you use to overcome any sort of fear that's saying, what about failure? Or what about bodily harm? Or what about all the things that get in our heads and fear us out of that?
Bob Goff [00:23:13]:
Yeah, that's a crazy thing. There's 259 ways to make change for a dollar. Isn't that crazy? So most people are thinking, like, four quarters, ten dimes, 20 nickels. But there's actually 200. I could win any Trivial Pursuit game. Bring it. So if you want to bring change to your company, if you want to bring change your relationship, if you want to bring change your life, I just find out another way to do it. And what we do is we just want to say, well, this is the way to do it's.
Bob Goff [00:23:40]:
Four quarters, and say, no, actually, there's more. And then it's more than just dimes and nickels, but there's a bunch of pennies. But what we could do is actually say, there's a new and novel way to bring about change. And one of the best ways to do it is authenticity to say, is the leader of your company. I have not experienced this before. My closest experience is this. So one thing that I've tried to carve a little groove in my brain to do is when people ask me for advice, I just say, Let me tell you my experience, and my experience might be. I have no experience with that.
Bob Goff [00:24:19]:
The loss of a child, I've not experienced that. The loss of a mentor, I have experienced that. And to say, not that my experience is your experience, but I can just say what my experience with that is, or that I don't have an experience that's adjacent to that. That's just such a great little leadership hack. We've sailed across the ocean two times. I have no idea why I do it, because I just hurl the whole way. It's good for 20 or 30 pounds off the waist, but we're fixing to do it again. And there was a guy that told me, like, oh, yeah, you should sail this course and bring this and make sure you get one of these.
Bob Goff [00:25:02]:
And we had a really long list of things. I said, Are you a sailor? And he said, no, I've never left Ohio. So he had all kinds of opinions. He just didn't have any experience. So that didn't make me think less of him. But it's actually a good way to vet some of the people you're talking to. Instead of telling people, like, here's all my financial advice. Just say, oh, what's your experience? And just say, I've gone bankrupt three times.
Bob Goff [00:25:29]:
That's not a bad thing. Like, hard things happen to people, but it would be good to understand that context. Or if somebody's giving you relationship advice to say, tell me your experience with, like, tell me, do you have a lot of friends that you measure in decades? Or relationships are challenging. Maybe somebody's gone through the pain of a divorce or a separation. But it'd be good to know people's experience rather than just listen to their advice.
Lindsey Epperly [00:25:55]:
That just gets you the authentic side of people out of it. And I feel like that's what you're really good at, is kind of like stripping back those layers and getting to the core of who someone is. And you actually even told me recently it was a great quote. I wrote it down. I've told people since that when we take away all that we're known for, what's left is who we are. And I've really been dwelling on that lately, and I think it's something that other leaders and business owners very much need to know, because we oftentimes just define ourselves by our roles or by even to your point, to your experience or whatever it is. But at the core of this, I just am so curious what exactly that means for what? What does that mean for Bob Goff? When you take away what you're known for, what's left is who you are.
Bob Goff [00:26:41]:
Yeah, if you have this worldview that we're new creations, that each day God would bring a new version of us to the world that the old versions have made, like Lawyer Bob, he's on the bus. I just don't even think about lawyer stuff. But for, gosh, 30 years, that was what I did. Or. Then take author Bob and so author Bob wrote books or speaking. Now I'm a grandpa, so I'm kind of tapping the brakes on all this, running around, talking to people at places. And the idea of being the kind of current with the most relevant and recent version of you would be a really good way for you to think so to strip away all the notions people have about you and to really understand that. Otherwise you become this caricature of what everybody group thinks you are.
Bob Goff [00:27:36]:
So if everybody thinks you're that happy business person or they identify you as the mom, like, this is your role to say, what if we take away that? Don't take away the kids, but to just say, if I wasn't known for being a mom, what would I be known for? And then pick some of those characteristics, maybe a focus less on career and more on character. Like, I'd want to be known as the person that's available. And so a great way to do that is just like, I don't know, give everybody your phone number if you want, or if you say, I want to be known as generous. You could be generous with your time, you could be generous with your resources, but just instead of waiting for people to ask you, hey, I'm running a food drive, or whatever, to say, generosity is just who you are. That's your go to. So you don't even need a prompting for somebody to do that. You know who you are, and so you live into who you are, and you just start acting generously towards people. Your head's on a swivel, looking for opportunities.
Bob Goff [00:28:42]:
So you're finding so many opportunities, you don't even need somebody to ask you because you're already doing it. Yeah, that would be a great way to live into the newest, most current version of you.
Lindsey Epperly [00:28:55]:
Right?
Bob Goff [00:28:56]:
So, yeah, all old versions of Bob are on the bus. I want to just say, and I just think that heaven is leaning over the rails. You want to dazzle the angels. Go be the current humble version of you. Like, find the humblest, most recent version of you. Go be.
Lindsey Epperly [00:29:12]:
Yeah, yeah. And don't get caught up with who you've been. Let that influence and propel you forward. I love it. Well, you are so known for and you are so available, and I'm super appreciative of that. That has really meant the world to me and to so many. So thank you for making yourself available today.
Bob Goff [00:29:30]:
That is the most selfish thing I've ever done, getting to hang out with you, and you've got so many things to share with people. I'm just really glad you're using this format to let people know what you think and why you think. I hope people will feel interactive with that, that they'll hear something that you're saying and then not just agree with you, but maybe, like, you modeled, like, jot down a note or two.
Lindsey Epperly [00:29:55]:
Yeah. Thanks, Bob. I super appreciate that. Thank you for your time today.
Bob Goff [00:29:58]:
Hey, great talking to you. And be blessed. And for the people listening, I hope what you'll do is not just agree, but take something that maybe Lindsay said or that I've said and that resonates with you and say, okay, what am I going to do about that? How do I make that actionable? And that's how you make progress.
Lindsey Epperly [00:30:16]:
Absolutely. Thank you, Bob. And I'll be dropping all the links to your books and everything. Is there one particular way or another that you want people to connect with you, follow you, seek you out? What does that look like for you these days?
Bob Goff [00:30:27]:
Oh, I'm an easy guy to find if you just look up, Bob.
Lindsey Epperly [00:30:30]:
That's what I thought. Thank you, Bob. Really, really appreciate you. And that lovely listeners, brings us to the end of today's episode. We truly hope you enjoyed this deep dive into the world of leadership and professional development with Who Made You the Boss? If you've gained some valuable insights today, we would love to hear from you. Please take a moment, go to your favorite podcast platform, search for Who Made you the Boss and leave us a five star rating and review. That feedback helps us tremendously as we're creating content that resonates and empowers stay connected with us, too, by visiting Lindsayupperly.com. And there you can subscribe to our newsletter and ensure you never miss an episode or an exciting update.
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